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Goku = Best childhood hero Superman = Best adult hero Superman + Goku = Arwsome
Even if this is Z Goku and Nu52 Superman.
Superman NEVER go FTL in battle.
Gokus ki is Superman weakness.
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And there you have proven yourself a downplayer of the highest order. Frieza clearly is planetary level through both destroying Namek and Vegeta. Cell is clearly stronger than that and yet you want claim he couldn't destroy the Earth?
I have nothing more to say to you, good luck with the rest of your life
" Are we to assume that just because Cell claimed that he could destroy the Earth but never actually did it that it was also a hyperbole?"
yes because feats are the only thing that actually shows the strength of said character.
he never does the feat or anything close to the feat means character is hyperbole.
"As I've said multiple sources all back the solar system claim, that plus the fact that Frieza is stellar class level should be more than enough to justify Cell being at Solar system level and Goku being above that."
since frieza never did anything to support the claim, makes him not solar system anything.
" As Superman was not disintegrated when he approached the singularity but was teleported elsewhere then it did not behave like a black hole and hence can not be taken as a valid durability feat"
no its still a black hole, it absorbed all matter that was near it, it sucked all mass into it....its a blackhole, statement says its a black hole,the thing its self was a black hole, it acted like a black hole..it was a black hole.
"And I have shown you doing things more impressive than Superman"
you haven't, the beerus vs goku punch has been debunked as well shown to be nonsensical as well does not even allow its own claims.
you say cell is a solar system, and yet has not shown him doing he claim or anything close to the claim.
i am still waiting for you to show goku doing anything greater than superman.
When it comes to speed Superman can travel at 99% of the speed of light, not as fast as the speed of light but just under it. But when Goku is in Ssj4 he can travel 2.8x the speed of light. So he more than twice as fast as Superman. Strength wise I believe they are both equal (when Goku is in Ssj4). If they were to punch each other at full strength they would hit each other with 18,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or 18 octillion mega tons. That is about as much mass as 2 supernovas. So punching each other at the same time they would both be incinerated and die instantly. But going back to speed Goku is much faster so there is a much greater chance Goku will land the first punch still generating the mass of one supernova but let's since Goku is twice the speed of Light he would be able to escape and Superman Bing just under the speed of light would not. Goku would win.
Now let say Super Vegito Ssj4 (Goku and Vegita use Super Fusion at Ssj4) came to the battle. Being 5.6x the speed of light and having the power of 2¹/₂supernovas Super Vegito would crush Superman as if Superman were a insect.
P.S. Superman once pulled the earth by him self, but Goku Deflect powers of some of his opponents capable of destroying a planet. So let's say Goku was playing catch... with planet earth. Baku would easily catch earth and effortlessly toss it back
Note- everything occurring would require Goku to be in Ssj4 (not including Super Vegito Ssj4).
I want to start by saying that I am a fan of Superman as well as Dragon Ball, but I gotta give this to Goku.
Lets break it down.
Superman outclasses Goku in terms of physicality. He's leaps and bounds stronger than Goku and can take a much larger punishment than Goku. Superman is physically able to move a planet out of its own orbit, Goku most certainly does not have that level of strength. Superman has an unlimited source of energy under a yellow star, which means that as long as he's absorbing the radiation from a yellow star, his endurance is limitless, he won't tire out.
When it comes to power, skill, and speed, though, Goku has the advantage. In terms of power, Goku is a 'world destroyer' in his base form. And I'm talking Saiyan Saga base form. As a Super Saiyan, his physical blows have been shown to tear a planet apart. Not to mention the fact that his transformation into a Super Saiyan has been shown to shake a planet's core and cause both the ecosystem and very atmosphere of a planet to alter, again, that's early Super Saiyan Goku. As a Super Saiyan 3, Goku actually has the ability to travel between dimensions and his power can be felt on the other side of the universe, as well as between dimensions. Supreme Kai, Kibito, Gohan, and Vegeta were all able to sense Goku from the Otherworld Dimension with such an absolute that it felt as though Goku was having an intense battle right next to them. In terms of fighting skill, Goku runs circles around Superman. Goku has been training for his entire life in martial arts and has been fighting for nearly as long. Superman has no martial arts skills. In terms of speed, Superman tops out at or near light speed. Goku bottoms out at light speed and can actually move at close to 3X the speed of light. He can literally travel to the other side of the galaxy and back in the blink of an eye.
Then, lets look at the effects ki attacks would have on Superman. No one in the DC universe uses ki attacks. So, if Superman has any kind of vulnerability to ki, as he does to magic, Goku would win in a matter of seconds. A quick Instant Kamehameha and Superman is done, Goku wouldn't even need to transform.
In Babidi's ship Babidi checked Goku's power when he was SSJ1 and it was 4000(I dont know the unit) and he said that 300 was enough to destroy a planet. It means that in ssj1 form goku can destroy the entire solar system and five more planets in one blow. Now let's go back to cell games saga, android 17 and 18 beat 3 super saiyans at the same time it means they were at least 5 times stronger than super saiyan 1 , after this Cell defeated them very easily in his first form which means that cell was 10 times stronger than a super saiyan in his first form let's assume 20 times stronger in his third form and as we know that there was a burst in his power in his last form so we can say that he was 50 times stronger than super saiyan 1 in his third form. Now let's calculate his power 50*4000=200000 it means that Cell was capable of destroying 667 planets in his perfect form and Gohan SSJ2 defeated him with one hand so we can say that Gohan SSJ2 was capable of destroying almost 2000 planets. Majin Buu beat Gohan badly and easily when Gohan was in SSJ2 form and at that time Vegeta was stronger than Gohan but even he was not able to destroy Buu. And then Goku turned super saiyan 3 and beat the crap out of Buu easily , Now lets calculate Super Saiyan 3 's Power : Super Saiyan 1 was capable of destroying 13 planets and super saiyan 2 is capable of destroying 2000 planets which means that super saiyan 2 is 154 times stronger than super saiyan 1, if we take this ratio(the ratio at which saiyan's power increases when goes from one form to the next), double it and multiply it with 2 for SSJ3 then we will be able to know his power(to destroy planets) which comes to be
154 * 2 * 2000 = 616000 planets destruction
I really dont think that super man can destroy this many planets at all
How ever let's calculate SSJ4's power : as we know that a saiyan becomes 10 times stronger when he turns into a giant ape, so I m going to multiply SSJ3's power with 10 and "ratio of power increase"(154)
616000 * 10 * 154 = 948640000 planets destruction
I m quite sure that superman can't destroy 948640000 planets which proves that Goku is the winner.
if u r not satisfied even now then u need a mental check up because this is the power of just SSJ4 u can think what a saiyan God can do!
Speed: goku In dragon ball is able to dodge tiens solar flare wich is equal to the speed of light. Proof is that when piccilo used his special beam cannon at the moon it took seconds which is multiple times faster than the speed of light. And considering he's not much weaker that him let's say light speed. In order to calculate how fast goku is we have to determine gokus destruction power because since speed and destruction capabilities both require ki their multipliers would have been the same through out the series. Feat wise goku is stronger and has more ki than buu in his ssj3 form and kid buu destroyed galaxies. tien is around a moon buster in dragon ball. It takes 80 billion MG to blow up our moon and a supernova can blow up our solar system which is equal to 10 OCTILLION MG. Do 80 billion divided by 10 OCTILLION and you get 12.5 quadrillion times the spl this by 200 billion since their are 200 billion solar systems in our galaxy you would get 2.5 OCTILLION times the spl.
Karate Kid beat pre crisis superman
Goku is karate kid on steriods
Even dc comics knows martial artist like goku beat superman
superman beats goku in evey category speed, strength, intelligence, durability, endurence, and expearence
its not opinion its based on fact
superman has proof that he is stronger, faster, more endurence, and can take mor than goku
So in that sense, they're as powerful as each other :I if the narrative was for them to fight, they'd keep getting the best of one another until 'THE ULTIMATE NEVER EVER HEARD OF BEFORE EVIL' appears and they have to work together to defeat it which leaves them both entirely drained :I